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 Everything I know about sword and shield... 
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Post Everything I know about sword and shield...
... is probably wrong.

I had always been told that S&S wasn't really a true ground fighting medieval weapon combination, but I've stumbled upon some Italian manuals from the 16th and 17th century that talk about fighting with the rotella. It seems to be very thrust oriented, but it surely can't hurt to check it out.


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Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:55 am
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Post Re: Everything I know about sword and shield...
hmm I don't think I have ever ever ever leaned forward like that with a shield. Looks like it puts more distance between your opponent and your legs...making them less of a target to worry about defending with your shield.

In fact I usually stand with my weight backwards when using a shield and my shield side is usually the one with the lead leg. This picture is kinda makin me wonder if there's stuff about using a shield I don't know either.


Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:13 pm
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Post Re: Everything I know about sword and shield...
It looks like the rotella was typically used with a rapier, so it makes sense that the stance is sword-side forward.

From the little I've read so far, it also seems that the idea is to displace your opponents sword with your sword and then use the shield to further misdirect and bind up their blade while you counter attack. It's a completely different style of fighting than what I've tried using for S&S thus far. I can't wait till I can get some time to investigate this further.


Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:50 pm
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Post Re: Everything I know about sword and shield...
Some vids of rapier and rotella:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Nikos3000#p ... IxBIWrbTEA
http://www.youtube.com/user/Nikos3000#p ... _qmNgFp8Kg
http://www.youtube.com/user/Nikos3000#p ... JkQRoA_Co8

http://www.youtube.com/user/Nikos3000#p ... 3J-10KfRe8


Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:17 pm
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Post Re: Everything I know about sword and shield...
Great vids


Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:31 am
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Post Re: Everything I know about sword and shield...
From Capo Ferro:

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Plate 42

Modo di saper ben valersi della rotella…

Way of knowing how to avail oneself well of the rotella, finding oneself confronted with another rotella.

As it often happens that one’s own weapons wage war against one who does not know how to avail himself well thereof, accordingly I have judged it to not be out of place to give an inkling of some details of the rotella, as a weapon most dangerous to those who have not had some practice with the same; and in consideration of such, it is to be advised that the rotella must be embraced with the left arm somewhat curved, in a way such that it faces somewhat toward your left side, but not so curved that it impedes the vision so that one could not discern any part of the enemy whatsoever; and having done thus, wanting to go to strike, the enemy lying with his sword extended forward in guardia stretta, it will be necessary first to stringer the enemy’s sword on the inside or the outside according to the occasion, and then advancing with the left foot, to hit his already gained sword with your rotella, and strike him vigorously in terza with a rising thrust. But if it occurred that the enemy lay in guardia larga, and that he threw a dritto or riverso to your leg, you would have to parry it with the falso, the dritto as well as the riverso, and then respond with a cut to the adversary in the leg; but if perchance he threw a thrust or a cut toward your face or head you could parry with the rotella when the cut or the thrust came not as a feint. But in order to protect yourself from the feint, being that the rotella is heavy so that it could not be of such quickness to parry as could be done with a targa or brocchiero, accordingly you will be careful not to parry in such a case with the rotella; then, the same figure wanting to parry a thrust which the adversary has thrown to the outside of his rotella, the same wishing to parry it will of course necessarily block his vision, and thus impeded, in that instant the enemy will have convenient opportunity to pass forward with his left foot and strike, without the motion of his sword being seen, into the breast or to the base of the body, as the figures show. But the same is to be parried in seconda or quarta with the sword, according to the occasion, and then advancing with the left foot, hitting the enemy’s sword with the rotella, one will strike with a rising thrust in terza, and thus will be safer.

Plate 43

Figura che ferisce sotto la rotella...

Figure that strikes under the rotella, while the adversary seeks to parry with the same rotella, in order to strike with a thrust in the chest.
Considering the deceptions and feints that are found in arms, it is necessary to pay great attention when one comes to blows with his enemy, so through presentation of the following figures I show to you how parrying is most often harmful when one parries and does not respond in the same tempo; so I will demonstrate it to you in this action of the rotella, being that one of them lies in quinta with his arm sloping and with the point of his sword low, with the rotella forward of his breast, and the enemy lies in sesta with his rotella arm extended forward, and with his sword somewhat back, so that the same, if he will be accosted at measure, will throw a thrust outside the rotella to the face; and he raising his rotella to parry, the view will be obscured, and the same, falsing his sword under the rotella, strikes him in quarta in the way that the figure shows. But if he had been an experienced person, when the adversary threw a thrust at his face, he would have parried, stretching out his rotella arm, and passing forward with his left foot, instantly bending his body and head toward his right side, giving him a thrust in the chest; alternately, when the adversary threw the thrust, he could have parried with the sword in quarta, and passing forward in an instant with his left foot, and hitting the enemy’s sword with his rotella, he would strike him in terza with a rising thrust to the body, and thus he would have been safe.


Now I have to learn some italian rapier to make any sense of this. Great.


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Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:19 pm
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Post Re: Everything I know about sword and shield...
A document on sword and rotella by Steven Reich. It appears at first glance to include definitions for many of the Italian terms.


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Post Re: Everything I know about sword and shield...
Another document by Steven Reich, but on the fundamentals of the Bolognese system.

I think a firm grasp on the material in this document may be a prereq for the rotella doc.


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